Posts by Disillusioned JW

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Does anyone have a copy of the Jan 1st 1989 Watchtower I can buy

by mickbobcat in

i want to buy a copy not a copy of one but the actual copy of a 1989 jan 1st watchtower.

let me know i would like to have one to show someone i am talking to about it.

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Disillusioned JW

BluesBrother and others, my understanding is the the "work" that is spoken of ending (whether in "20th century" or in "our day"), was not the entire ministry work but rather only the missionary work. Such was always my thought, since I didn't read more into the sentence and its paragraph than what they specifically said. Note that the prior sentence ends in the phrase "missionary activity" and thus the word "work" in the last sentence of paragraph 12 is specifically referring to the missionary work. The subheading (that paragraph 12 falls under) is even called "Missionaries to the Nations". Likewise paragraph 13 is specifically about missionary work.

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Do JWs buy old JW books to destroy?

by mickbobcat in

i have never heard of this but i doubt its never been done.

i sell some older jw books on etsy and have always been a bit afraid that some jws are buying them to destroy.

if you have heard of this let me know.

Disillusioned JW

After the elder left my door, my mom told me that the elder told her I am very nearly an apostate, but what the elder did not know is that I was already an apostate (from the WT) though not an outspoken one. I was shocked that the elder was angry of me learning the truth of what the WT literature written by Rutherford says. I didn't even say anything negative about Rutherford's book (such as mentioning crazy teachings or failed predictions, though I was saying something critical about biblical prophecy). Instead I said (and I paraphrase since I don't remember the exact wording) that "even Rutherford in one his books taught that the prophecy about Tyre becoming completely destroyed, by the king of Babylon, for forever, did not come true literally." It was right after I mentioned that, that the elder got angry regarding me reading Rutherford's books.

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Al Gore speech or JW convention?

by neat blue dog in

it literally could be either.

the clip starts at 1:15. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljymc--cpoy&feature=youtu.be.

Disillusioned JW

When CO2 was way, way higher tens of millions of years ago, much of what is currently dry coastal land (land which includes very large cities throughout the world) was under oceans. Keep that in mind. Furthermore, the rate of CO2 increase, according to scientists, is currently much higher than more than 1000 years ago. The scientists say that while the current level of CO2 might not in itself bring large numbers of extinctions (and other devastation), the rapid rate of increase makes it hard for the ecosystem to adapt quickly enough to avoid disaster. Bill Nye (The Science Guy), in his book called Everything All At Once says the following.

"Sometimes the self-proclaimed skeptics point out that climate has always changed. They are right--but only up to a point. It has always changed, but the rate of change that humans are introducing now is unprecedented." He then provides the example of driving a car at 70 miles per hours and the effect of gradually reducing the speed to 0 miles hours, verses the effect of suddenly reducing the speed to 0 miles per hours by crashing the car into a brick wall. He then says the following.

"It ain't the change that's the problem, my educated colleagues--it's the rate of change that gets you. It's very much the same thing with the climate. ...

These days, it seems as though for every genuine nerd expert, there is someone else peddling false doubt. That's why we have to work together, do some thoughtful information-filtering, and make the informed voices heard. We need to make sure everyone understands the real situation; the welfare of the planet (and those of us who happen to live on it) hangs in the balance."

By the way, Al Gore's book from 1992 about the environment is called Earth In The Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit and as we know Al is a nerd (at least somewhat). My copy of that book is signed by him (though not to me). The Introduction of that book shows a chart of CO2 concentration from April 1958 (at about 315 PPM) through June 1991 (at about 360 PPM).

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Do JWs buy old JW books to destroy?

by mickbobcat in

i have never heard of this but i doubt its never been done.

i sell some older jw books on etsy and have always been a bit afraid that some jws are buying them to destroy.

if you have heard of this let me know.

Disillusioned JW

skin wrote "the branch had a letter read out about 6 years ago asking for all old publications to be returned to them." RolRod said "I was later told by Randall Watters that the Society had a bonfire with them." I remember the WT literature used to say that the WT does not produce a list of banned/forbidden books. It is disappointing to read that the WT is now trying to confiscate WT books and likely intending to destroy them. This sounds like one way, out of several ways, they are starting to act like the Catholic Church (or the way the Catholic Church used to act).

After I stopped attending KH meetings, (and maybe starting a few years before) I read quotes online from the old books and I read some PDFs of pages of the old books. I thought the quotes, especially the PDFs were probably accurate, but I wanted to obtain the actual WT books to be certain. Over a number of years I ended up finding and buying many of the books at a thrift store, and I bought some of the books from eBay auctions. Another reason why I bought them was because I was simply curious o what they say, including that which I didn't find in quotes. I think some JWs are buying them for each of those reasons. Later I sold (at a profit) nearly all of the pre-1965 books on eBay since I Iearned what I wanted to learn from them, since most can be read online, and since I didn't think I could persuade JWs by showing the books to them. When I listed the books on eBay I quoted some strange statements in them (including failed predictions and abandoned doctrines) in order to attract potential buyers who are JWs that have begun questioning the WT religion and to thus get higher prices for the books. However, to some extent I worried that some of the people buying the books might be doing so to destroy them, and that they are doing so in order to prevent other people from seeing what those books say.

A number of years ago my mom (a JW) had a JW elder visit me at my door (to try to change my views and/or answer questions I have). Immediately after I told the elder that I have (or had) some Rutherford books and read them, the elder angrily asked me where I obtained them. I did not answer that question since I wanted to prevent him from obtaining (with the intention of destroying or hiding) the literature from those sources.

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Al Gore speech or JW convention?

by neat blue dog in

it literally could be either.

the clip starts at 1:15. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljymc--cpoy&feature=youtu.be.

Disillusioned JW

Today the NBC Nightly News broadcast in the USA had an exclusive interview of Al Gore about climate change. The news anchor reported that what Al predicted 15 years ago about climate change (melting polar caps, extreme hurricanes, extreme heat, and other extreme weather, etc.) is now coming true. Al said he was merely telling people what the scientists had been saying. Al also said that the changes are at a much faster rate than what the scientists thought would be case, and that we thus need to take very quick corrective action. The news broadcast also said that China announced it will cease all its financing of coal fired power plants that are outside of China. [See https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/exclusive-al-gore-on-worsening-climate-crisis-121741381523 .] Al said that since China currently finances 70% of all coal fired plants located outside of China, it is major news. [Besides the prior link see https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/21/chinas-xi-pledges-to-end-funding-for-overseas-coal-power-plants-513493 .]

Yesterday the nightly news was showing how extreme heat in Guatemala is destroying crops on a massive scales and making it very hard for people there to have enough food to eat. See https://www.nbc.com/nbc-nightly-news/video/climate-change-ravaging-crops-in-guatemala-leaving-millions-on-brink-of-starvation/644613695 .

Tonight (shortly before the interview of Al being broadcast on TV in locality) I told my sister (a JW) that Al will soon be on TV talking about climate change. She said the fact that climate change is happening doesn't surprise her since she knows what the Bible says. She said the Bible (referring to Matthew chapter 24) foretold the drastic climate/environmental changes.

The curve of CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which is included in a chart in post on the first page of this topic thread, confirms the curve that Al Gore included in his environmental books (including the books from many years ago). It also shows that Al was right in projecting continuing rises in of CO2 level, for the years following the years that Al plotted for in his books. When will the climate change deniers wake up and stop denying climate change?!

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Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

by pistolpete in

just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

Disillusioned JW

Well I'm making another post in this topic after all.

I read in a book by Michael Shermer (called Why Darwin Matters:The Case Against Intelligent Design) that men contain a vestigial uterus and that such is evidence of evolution! https://vridar.org/2009/06/16/fearfully-and-wonderfully-or-tearfully-and-clumsily-made/ contains a quote about that from the book.The quote about the male vestigial uterus says “Men have the remnant of an undeveloped female reproductive organ that hangs off the prostrate gland for the same reason.”

In looking for more sources pertaining to that I found the article at https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/news/a36344/man-discovers-he-has-a-working-womb-and-uterus/ . I recommend that people read it. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostatic_utricle which says the following.

'The prostatic utricle (Latin for "pouch of the prostate") is a small indentation in the prostatic urethra, at the apex of the urethral crest, on the seminal colliculus (verumontanum), laterally flanked by openings of the ejaculatory ducts. It is also known as the vagina masculina or uterus masculinus or (in older literature) vesicula prostatica.[1] ... The prostatic utricle is the homologue of the uterus and vagina ....'

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A Question For The Scholarly Re Gilgamesh

by jonahstourguide in

hi all.. read this article re the gilgamesh clay tablet.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-21/us-returns-gilgamesh-tablet-to-iraq/100478858.

how does it impact the dating of the biblical flood?

it seems earlier.. i am going to do some research myself to make a comparison.. it's interesting as i have not previously heard of the tablet but have heard of the.

Disillusioned JW

I saw over two years ago a science program on PBS TV about an ancient recently discovered (or recently translated) tablet(s) which has(have) a version of the flood story older than biblical story. It(they) gave different dimensions for the Ark (where the Ark was much taller than it was wide and long) and later the scientists determined that likely originally the story described the Ark as having a circular base. They then constructed that Ark as best as they could and tested it. See https://www.pbs.org/video/nova-secrets-noahs-ark/ .

The program I saw might have been based upon that which is "preserved on 12 clay tablets from the library collection of 7th-century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal" instead of the individual 3,500-year-old tablet.

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Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

by pistolpete in

just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

Disillusioned JW

This topic was definitely a mentally (and emotionally) stimulating conversation/debate and I did learn some things in the process and I hope some people learned from me as well.

Well, I think I have said all (or practically all) I can say on this topic, and thus I probably won't make any further posts in this topic thread, but time will tell. Have a great time folks.

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Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

by pistolpete in

just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

Disillusioned JW

Hi LoveUniHateExams. I appreciate your comments and some of the comments of some of the other people also.

I know that fertile human females have XX chromosomes, but I think that some also have a Y chromosome in addition to those. I know some women are XXY and some scientific sources that some of them are fertile. See https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/496996 which says "Individuals with a 47,XXY karyotype usually present with a male phenotype due to the additional Y chromosome. In this paper, we describe a 47,XXY female who was pregnant with a fetus of the same karyotype based on chromosome analysis of amniotic fluid cells." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11173857/ says "We now describe an SRY-deleted 47,XXY female who has one son and two daughters, and one of her daughters has the same 47,XXY karyotype."

I know that fertile human males have at least one Y chromosome.

I also know that the the Y chromosome does more than regulate the production of male hormones, for I read in scientific literature pertaining to evolution that the Y chromosome contains genetic code which is identical to a portion of the genetic code of the X chromosome. I also have read in scientific literature that some scientists think the Y chromosome evolved into existence as a mutation of an X chromosome many millions of years ago. For example see https://www.news-medical.net/health/Y-Chromosome-Evolution.aspx . Besides mentioning the evolution of that chromosome, interestingly that article says "In many ectothermic vertebrates, there are no sex chromosomes and in those who do have sex differences, gender is not determined by sex chromosomes but by the environment. In reptiles, for example, gender is selected according to the incubation temperature."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921885/ says "Classically Y chromosomes are thought to originate from X chromosomes through a process of degeneration and gene loss." It also suggests a different possible means of evolution of the chromosome. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome which says the following.

"The X and Y chromosomes are thought to have evolved from a pair of identical chromosomes,[10][11] termed autosomes, when an ancestral animal developed an allelic variation, a so-called "sex locus" – simply possessing this allele caused the organism to be male.[12] The chromosome with this allele became the Y chromosome, while the other member of the pair became the X chromosome. Over time, genes that were beneficial for males and harmful to (or had no effect on) females either developed on the Y chromosome or were acquired through the process of translocation.[13]

Until recently, the X and Y chromosomes were thought to have diverged around 300 million years ago.[14] However, research published in 2010,[15] and particularly research published in 2008 documenting the sequencing of the platypus genome,[16] has suggested that the XY sex-determination system would not have been present more than 166 million years ago, at the split of the monotremes from other mammals.[17] "

There probably are some functions of the X and Y chromosomes which I don't know about. I notice that adjusted knowledge said "... actual genetic code within their cells ... impacts protein production, enzymes, hormones, etc."

I do realize that a trans-woman can not currently conceive and bear a baby, for she has no ovaries and no uterus, however some sources say that in the future it might be possible to provide them with a transplanted uterus. See https://www.mcgill.ca/channels/channels/news/fertility-frontier-can-transgender-women-get-uterus-transplants-329760 which says in part the following. "Now a new publication in the journal Bioethics makes the case that research trials should consider including transgender women in this evolving fertility frontier, not just genetic women – that is, people with XX chromosomes" regarding receiving a transplant of a uterus. It also says "While still theoretical, it appears that implantation of a donated uterus and gestation in the body of a transgender individual should pose no physiological barrier if various conditions are met, according to Balayla."

Regarding a trans-man I know that if only his own tissues are used to give the appearance of having a penis and testes then he can not impregnate a woman, but I wonder if he can receive a transplanted penis and transplanted testes. There are numerous pictures of naked people (called he-she and she-he and transgender) on the internet that appear to have such, but I wonder if all of them are fake pictures. Perhaps in actual 'sex change' surgeries to make transgender people prostheses are used underneath the skin. A moment ago I noticed that https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21526-gender-affirmation-confirmation-or-sex-reassignment-surgery says "If you are a transgender man (assigned female at birth or AFAB), you may have surgeries that involve:... Construction of a penis and scrotum (metoidioplasty, phalloplasty and scrotoplasty)." That seems to be cosmetic surgery and thus does not seem to give a person the ability to produce semen. However, https://www.insider.com/doctors-to-perform-worlds-first-penis-transplant-on-transgender-man-2020-10 says the following.

"A team of Massachusetts surgeons is preparing to perform the world's first-ever penis transplant on a transgender man.

During the procedure, surgeons would take the penis of a deceased donor and transfer it onto a transgender patient who was assigned female at birth."

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/12/surgeons-successfully-performed-testicle-transplant-procedure-help-trans-men-one-day/ says the following.

"A 36-year-old cis man born without testicles in Belgrade, Serbia has just received a testicular transplant from his identical twin brother to help his body produce its own testosterone and sperm.

It’s only the third such surgery ever to occur in the world, and doctors say it could eventually be applied to trans men using the removed testicles of trans women, but ethical and legal concerns could complicate the matter."

But even if there is no way for a trans-people to currently, or ever, to produce a baby, it should be kept in mind that some genetic biological women have had their uterus, cervix, and/or ovaries removed due to having cancer in one of more of those organs, or some other severe health problem in one or more of those organs. But, they are still considered women.

I agree that at least some "... trans activists are trying to force people to share their particular views, and demonise [sic] them if they dare to have a different opinion ...".

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Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

by pistolpete in

just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

Disillusioned JW

punko..., I did not say the chromosomes could be changed. I said "negate much of the operation of the Y chromosome", meaning "neutralize much of the effect of the operation of the Y chromosome".